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What happened with your hedgehog that is lost in the store? Are you still trying to find her?
Correct me if I'm wrong, Nancy, but wasn't that another person? o-O

Also...tiny baby hedgehog is tiny. <3 Look at the pretty quillies, and the cute ickle nose. When they're furless, they look so wrinkly. Too cute for words.
It's the same person ;)
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They are cute when they're furless :D And squishy!! D: I like to poke her belly D:

And no word on the hedgehog at the store. I set out the traps, put kitten food into them, now it's up to the store to find her or not :/ I dunno if I mentioned it here, but I quit that store. I do feel bad for the hedgehogs now cause I know they'll undo everything I've done so far to make them better, and not just the hedgehogs, but my gerbils and hamsters as well ((The gerbils have been getting wet tail and I've been fighting with them to cure them. I finally got them stable but I know without me there they'll just get it again because no one else cleans the freaking cages!!)). But I couldn't take it anymore. As much as I care for the animals, I can't work at a job where 1. The people are so STUPID!! 2. They steal from me. And 3. They disregard everything I tell them as the ramblings of a stupid little girl who could possibly not know anything. It didn't matter what I did, someone would come and mess it all up on my days off, then I'd have to REDO ALL of it and yell at the person who undid it. It got exhausting. You'd think after the FIRST time I tell them the reason one of the animals is separated from the rest, they'd get it. But nooooo!! Obviously they don't want me to treat just one sick animal. They want to get ALL the animals sick so I have to treat them all!! THE STORE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH MEDICINE!! Also, I didn't get paid enough for that job D: Which wouldn't have been a problem if not for number 2. If you're not gonna pay me enough money to do slave work, that's fine, just don't STEAL from me in the process!! >.>

Although I guess we're even now that I've got little Snuffles away from them D:

Also, sorry about the rant >.> But it felt good to get that off my chest.
 

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Yes, well these guys were only evil to their employees. To the animals, they actually did TRY, they were just sooooooo stupid it was unreal. I mean, I don't care how stupid you are, if you see a sick animal, you just don't go put it with the other animals. That's beyond stupidity!!

I dunno, maybe in a few weeks when I see the boss isn't there, I'll stop by and go check on the hedgies ... Just to see how they're doing ...
 

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You tried and that is what counts, and in the end you saved the life of at least one orphaned hedgehog who is super cute, I love her colors. And yeah sadly the pet store will probably continue the way they have, despite the information available. I wish there was a group that could counter-act against the bad crap like that, I know at least here in NY the pet stores have to get a USDA Certificate to have hedgehogs, which then you could call them and they'd go inspect the situation. But yeah when you first came on here, I knew it was probably a bad deal going down in that pet store, females breeding back to back, the fact they had a hard time sexing them or just keeping them together in giant bins. Understandable that you couldn't stay, a human can only take so much, especially when you don't have the power to actually change everything. But you tried, and that is the most important thing.
 

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You did a great job finding a way for the little baby to live and there is only so much you can do. It sounds like you did an absolutely awesome job trying to care for the animals and hopefully they straighten up and don't undo your hard work.
 

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Thanks everyone for the compliments!! She is definitely a cutie! Is her coloring really that cute though? Lol, I always thought that these looked rather plain ... That's why the first one I had picked out was a Cinnamon.

I've also been toying around with the idea of buying a male from Kelly Williams one day. I mean, not anytime soon. Not until I get a new job and get financially stable, which hopefully will be soon. I wouldn't breed them though unless I knew a crap load about it first. But I'm really just falling in love with hedgies!!
 

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Thanks everyone for the compliments!! She is definitely a cutie! Is her coloring really that cute though? Lol, I always thought that these looked rather plain ... That's why the first one I had picked out was a Cinnamon.

I've also been toying around with the idea of buying a male from Kelly Williams one day. I mean, not anytime soon. Not until I get a new job and get financially stable, which hopefully will be soon. I wouldn't breed them though unless I knew a crap load about it first. But I'm really just falling in love with hedgies!!
I would never breed this orphaned baby since you don't know her linage and she came from a petstore ;)
 

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Well I know two generations of her lineage :p Her mom and dad .... and her grandma .... and her grandpa is kinda her dad also .... But we won't tell her that because it might devastate her for life o.o I know it would devastate me!!

But I can see your point. But I still want a male :) Mostly cause I really like them and because Kelly is having a hard time selling males and she's got a waiting list a mile long for females .... So it just makes more sense to go with a male o.o Since apparently they're so readily available.
 

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So this female in inbred? grandfather is also father?? even more reason to never breed her. If you're really serious about getting into breeding, buy a male and female from breeders where you know their background for numerous generations and that you know haven't been inbred.

If you do get a male from Kelly, please please please make sure that the two hedgies never meet, not even for a second. Its really not worth the risk, and even supervised they could end up mating, and even if they don't, meeting will just frustrate them and cause the female to ovulate for no reason.
 

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Yes, if you are considering breeding, get an unrelated pair with good lineage.

Breeding is expensive if something goes wrong. Until you can afford what could be as much as $1000 vet bill at a moments notice, don't even think about it. When things go wrong they go wrong fast and need to be treated fast.

Since you live near Kelly, if she can't sell males, what makes you think you would be able to? On average, there are more males born than females. I wonder why she can't sell males? I've always found that the majority of people don't really care what sex it is.
 

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I don't think it's called inbred when it's with parents. It's called cross breeding. In animals at least. Now a sibling to a sibling would be inbred. ((I breed reptiles ... somewhat.)) Inbreeding brings out the bad traits ... Cross breeding actually brings out the good traits that people want to keep. I dunno if the same goes for hedgehogs, but as far as I know, with any other animal that's how it goes.

And don't worry. Like I said, I wouldn't ever breed unless I knew something about it first. With any pair of hedgies. And Kelly lives about an 1.5-2 hours away from me, and I think she's mostly selling to other would-be breeders. The people at the pet store who all bought hedgehogs never cared what sex they were unless they had a specific name set in mind for it. Totally different crowd from Baton Rouge to Slidell/New Orleans though. TOTALLY different. BUT LIKE I SAID: I would NOT breed unless I knew something about it first.
 

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You are talking about line breeding. Yes, line breeding can bring out good traits but it can also bring out bad traits and doubles the risk of WHS being passed on if it is in the lineage. Line breeding requires long clean lineages with no hereditary or familial diseases, defects, or undesirable traits.

Breeding a petstore hedgie to it's parent, grandparent or sibling is NOT line breeding. That is nothing more than inbreeding and the risk of genetic diseases, deformities etc is high.

Of course people buying from petstores rarely care what sex they are getting. They are the people that usually buy on impulse, knowing nothing about the animal and depend on minimum wage, know nothing petstore employees to guide them. A petstore situation is not what you use to judge the market for hedgehogs in your area.

People who buy from breeders usually want and deserve to have a well bred pet and a breeder who is knowledgeable about the species. There are way too many backyard breeders around breeding petstore and rescue hedgehogs. They don't know enough about hedgehogs that they should be owning one let alone breeding. Knowledge comes from experience and owning one or two hedgehogs for a couple of months does not give either knowledge or experience.

If you want to breed, research, own a couple hedgehogs for a few years and learn about the species. Then buy a quality breeding pair and do it ethically, responsibly and be reputable. We have enough backyard breeders out there already. Don't become another one.
 
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