|12-05-2016 10:07 AM|
|nikki||Hedgehogs do not have a seasonal quilling. While they normal lose a quill or two here and there if they're losing large amounts then there is something going on.|
|12-05-2016 01:07 AM|
|lifeofdochi||I had the same issue with my Dochi. It even got to the point where he had bald spots! I took him to the vet and they did the same tests but like you everything came out negative. The vet said it was a seasonal quilling and that my Dochi would be okay. He did prescribe the lyme sulfur did as well which did help as he did stop losing as many quills. However it did take some time for him to grow everything back. Dochi still had some dry skin so I switched his soap to the Aveeno Baby Cleansing Therapy Moisturizing Wash. It's generally used for babies with eczema but it did help his skin to be less dry. Also the air could also be dry especially with the winter season coming up so a humidifier helps too. Just careful to direct it away from the cage as the mist can decrease the temperature.|
|12-04-2016 08:57 PM|
|taybae||For the lime sulfur dip bath, it says that you're not supposed to rinse it off. Would you still do the same thing for a hedgehog? I don't want her to lick it off and get sick.|
|08-23-2016 09:14 PM|
Continued Quill Loss after a year..
It has been some time since I last posted regarding Gimli's odd situation. Unfortunately, he is still losing quills. I have since given him sulfur dip baths, Itraconazole, Clavamox, disinfected his toys/wheel/cage with diluted bleach and changed out his bedding each day. He is now only losing 1-4 quills a day, but I am hoping to get it down to 0.
I am trying a new strategy by quarantining him for a month and giving him a higher monthly dosage of Revolution (per the vet's suggestion). I am spraying down the area where his home usually is with a suggested bug killer and will be making a new coroplast liner for his cage. Needless to say, he misses his roomy cage, but I had to give it a try. He and I are both quite discouraged with the lack of change in his quill loss since he has been in his quarantining home (23 days of quarantining and still loses 1-4 quills).
Now, my vet is suggesting we perform a biopsy. Gimli has been through so much lately so prior to going into that, I was wondering if anyone has had a similar situation that could provide some advice. Any information or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
|05-13-2015 07:23 AM|
|shetland||Thank you for the update!|
|05-12-2015 10:27 PM|
To give you all an update,
My vet contacted some specialists in Illinois. They both said by the signs of it, it is still probably either ringworm or mites. They suggested a higher dose of Revolution and a fungal oral medication called Itraconazole to treat the issue inside and out. I picked that up today (Itraconazole). I will be giving him .23 cc every 12 hours. for 4 weeks. Hopefully this helps. The Dr. suggested I continue with the sulfur dip bath for now. If things don't start looking up, we will move back to the Revolution in a higher dosage.
I gave him a sulfur dip bath today. He is starting to get used to it. Still isn't a fan, but he has come to face the fact it will happen whether or not he huffs about it.
I will continue to track his quill loss and hopefully things will start looking up soon.
|05-12-2015 10:14 PM|
Sully and Nikki,
Thank you so much for the tips!
Sully, I really hope Elinor feels better soon! I've been thinking about getting Gimli a flying saucer. They sound like a fun time. Although, I wish I could see him run on his regular wheel. I know he does, but I never see it. He sneaks out at night as soon as I turn off the lights and shut the door to my room. One time I acted like I went to bed and went back really quietly and stood there to watch, but... it was still pretty dark. And... I felt like a creeper. haha. Anyway, I read the ingredients on the hedgehog food you sent and it is definitely better than the usual hedgehog food that is usually mainly corn. I will ask my vet about it and possibly give it a try. Thank you
Nikki, How did you find out your hedgehog became allergic to chicken? That sounds like it would be a crazier process to figure that out than what Gimli is going through. I will definitely take a food allergy into consideration though. If this doesn't work, I'll see what the vet says about it.
|05-11-2015 11:39 AM|
I'd agree with Nikki for the most part. There are some Hedgehog foods which are merely cat food in a smaller package at a MUCH higher price ( There was one in a cardboard box, with X shaped kibble... forget the name... the only difference between it and cheap cat food was it had a picture of a hedgie on the side instead of a cat)
This one seems to be working however, but of course, your mileage may vary. I'm no expert.
Its made by Sun Seed. "Vita Prima for Hedgehogs". I took a pic with my tablet and then left it at home, but here's a photo I found on the internet.
Again, Elinor's "recovery" is slow, but it is definitely steady. We're seeing more and more new little "quill buds" popping up in her previously bald spots, and the flakey skin looks better as well. She's not 100% cured, so don't expect an overnight result but for us at least, it seems to be helping.
She's even getting more active on the wheel, but part of that might be because we got one of those "flying saucer" wheels... she'd gotten a little too big for the 12" round wheel and her butt/feet would slip off!! (I know. We're bad parents with the over-feeding, but its 3 tablespoons of the Vita per day now to get that inline)
Sidebar: We'd never used a Flying Saucer before (Its like a sideways "spinning plate" wheel...all open) and I've gotta say I love this thing. #1) Elinor seems to love it, and isnt restricted by the sides. Even when she was smaller she always seemed to pop out of the wheel because she wanted to keep clear of the inner wall. #2) because of its lower angle, when she poops while trucking along on the wheel its eliminated the possibility of poop falling on her head/body from the top of the wheel! (Its happened more than a few times with the old wheel!). #3) Because of the shape, her droppings just sort of pool in the middle (the non-running part) of the wheel, and makes for easy cleanup and clean(er) feet!!!
Sorry for going off on a tangent. I'm sure everyone's experience is different, so again YMMV with all/any of this, but after learning so much from everyone here, I figured it was high time I shared some of our tips/tricks.
Good luck with your little guy (that IS a cute pic!) and keep trying what the vet says. A fungus or mites are nothing to mess with. If the diet helps as well, fantastic! I'm not a shill for sunseed, and I'm no vet, but with the improvement we've seen, I figured it was worth sharing.
|05-08-2015 11:28 PM|
|nikki||If you do try to see if its a food allergy I wouldn't recommend switching to a hedgehog food. Even the best hedgehog food is marginal at best and most of them are no more nutritious that the packaging them come in. There are cat foods for allergies, I had to have my one cat on a allergy formula when he became allergic to chicken when he was around 9 years old. He was loosing an incredible amount of fur and had horribly dry skin. Its something you might want to talk to your vet about.|
|05-08-2015 11:24 PM|
He is back to losing a good amount of quills everyday (10-20) besides today which is odd? (more info below) I gave him another sulfur dip bath on Tuesday. The next day he lost 20 which was very discouraging.
I took him to the vet yesterday for a checkup and to see what the next steps will be. When I spoke to her, she said to continue with the sulfur dip because in case he really does have mites or a fungal infection, it could be trying to come back and affect him so if the bath is given once a week for so long, hopefully that will solve the problem. She said they have had some hedgies that needed treatments for up to 6 weeks.
Thank you so much for the info Sully! I keep wondering if nutrition is the issue. I have attached some photos which makes me think there is something going on internally. Some of his quills that drop look like they haven't even fully grown before they fell. If you get the name of the food, I would love to know it. Anything is worth a try at this point.
I spoke to my vet about a taurine deficiency. My breeder found information online that linked quill loss to a low count in taurine. The vet was not sure. She said a lot of tests could be done to possibly find out, but that the tests do not always work. It's almost like playing the lottery.
I have been giving him mealworms, but I have to slow down. He has already gained over 20 grams in the past three weeks :/
Oddly enough, today he lost 0 quills so far!! I'm holding him right now so we'll see, but usually there is a good amount where he sleeps and I did not find any today. I am very confused. Sometimes I think the bath is working and then once I do, he drops 20 quills. I sent photos to the vet last night (see attached). The up close photos of his back show some of the odd quills I found that are substantially smaller than usual. She forwarded them in an email to exotic specialists in Illinois to get an opinion on what they believe to be the issue. Hopefully they will have some news.
p.s. I attached a cute picture as well to make things less depressing
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