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12-27-2015 08:07 PM
nicole92 thank you so much for your help! as it turns out, the fluids seemed to completely knock him out (not sure if it was too much fluid for his little system to handle without any food or what happened) but just minutes after i posted this i checked on him and he seemed much, much worse so i called the vet back and she suggested emergency care right away. so we got in the car, headed there, and he was hospitalized for two nights where they syringe fed him critical care, got his body temp back up, and worked him back up to eating and drinking on his own. he is home now and eating up a storm which is wonderful. he is still on antibiotics for a few days as they arent sure what caused it but he is doing much, much better and has even put on some weight already. thanks for you help again!
12-24-2015 11:27 AM
Lilysmommy He should've already started to absorb some of the fluids given to him, so it should start helping soon if he is dehydrated. You want to be syringing him food & water as well if he's not eating or drinking much. The sub-q fluids will only help so much on their own. Since you already have some wet food, you can syringe him that. Just add a little water to it to help thin it out so it'll go through a syringe smoothly & make sure you mash it up well so the chunks don't get stuck. It's a good idea to run it through the syringe once into a bowl before feeding him so if it gets stuck at all, you won't accidentally shoot a huge amount into his mouth, which can cause him to choke. If he's still needing to be syringe-fed when you go back to the vet, you can ask them about Hills A/D or Carnivore Care, both of which are meant to be syringed to sick animals. The vet should carry one or both of them. They should also be willing/able to give you some more syringes for feeding if you need them. Here's our syringe-feeding sticky as well, which has more tips & such - https://www.hedgehogcentral.com/forum...ng-sticky.html
12-24-2015 10:53 AM
nicole92 so i brought my little guy to the vet today and she said it definitely does not look like wobbly hedgehog (yay!) but that he does seem sick. she said she was concerned that he is dehydrated because his face is sunken in and he looks thinner to her. he is also much more mellow than before. he doesnt eat very much kibble at all. i have started giving him some wet food but he doesnt eat that much either (he eats some, but not a lot). i cant get him to eat meal worms, fruits, veggies, anything. she gave him a warm fluid shot under the skin to be absorbed in the next few days which she says should help hydrate him and warm him up which should increase his appetite. i am upping the temp in his cage to between 80 and 86 because she said sick hedgehogs need their temps a little warmer. he has another appointment Saturday morning with this same vet to see if he is making progress. he is just a baby. what else can i do? he has a few doses left of antibiotics and i have saved a few medicine droppers from it, should i give him some water or food through those to kind of force him to eat or should i let the shot do its thing?
12-21-2015 11:18 PM
nicole92 Also, note that he did not have a thermometer or a ceramic heat emitter until after I found him chilled outside his cage two nights ago. I am not sure what the temperature was prior to this night as before he had only a heating pad under his sleep house and no other heat source. I bought the ceramic heat emitter the next morning after realizing my house may be too cold for him to be warm enough with only a heating pad and ordered a thermometer the same day to be able to monitor his warmth more closely.
12-21-2015 11:13 PM
nicole92
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Originally Posted by twobytwopets View Post
Since your getting a phone call tomorrow from the vet, you could keep it out for the night. If it's an ear infection he won't be very stable on his feet. Then ask about it when you speak to the vet.
With a hedgehog that has an uneasy gait some vets love to say it's WHS. Only problem is they can't prove that's what it is on a living animal. Just like people there are reasons for unsteady gait. Ear infection is the most common. Then you also have other issues, neurological, skeletal, then at the very end once everything is checked and nothing is found, then you can start to assume it's WHS. But I guess ear infection doesn't sound hedgehoggy enough so they say wobbly hedgehog syndrome. I don't believe any veterinary school covers hedgehogs more than a short section when they cover exotics. So in reality that explains it.
Do you have a thermometer in the cage? If so what is it reading? The goal is to have the same temperature in the entire cage 24/7. A heating pad could cause different issues but the one that concerns me at this point is too much of a temperature difference. That could either cause him to stay where it's warm, or get chilly when he leaves that area.
I do have a thermometer in the cage, it is reading about 77. The current thermometer is not digital as I am just borrowing it from my roommates chameleon until mine arrives in the mail (the new one will tell me high and low from 24 hours, humidity, etc). I have the thermometer located on the opposite side of the cage from where the ceramic heat emitter is clipped to be sure the entire cage is getting the right warmth. His cage, however, is not huge so the heat emitter is easily warming the whole cage. Then, in addition there is a small animal heating pad under his sleep house that he chose to lay on sometimes but also sometimes chosen to sleep outside of the sleep house, off the heating pad. Outside the house he has fleece and bedding for nesting as well.
12-21-2015 10:56 PM
twobytwopets Since your getting a phone call tomorrow from the vet, you could keep it out for the night. If it's an ear infection he won't be very stable on his feet. Then ask about it when you speak to the vet.
With a hedgehog that has an uneasy gait some vets love to say it's WHS. Only problem is they can't prove that's what it is on a living animal. Just like people there are reasons for unsteady gait. Ear infection is the most common. Then you also have other issues, neurological, skeletal, then at the very end once everything is checked and nothing is found, then you can start to assume it's WHS. But I guess ear infection doesn't sound hedgehoggy enough so they say wobbly hedgehog syndrome. I don't believe any veterinary school covers hedgehogs more than a short section when they cover exotics. So in reality that explains it.
Do you have a thermometer in the cage? If so what is it reading? The goal is to have the same temperature in the entire cage 24/7. A heating pad could cause different issues but the one that concerns me at this point is too much of a temperature difference. That could either cause him to stay where it's warm, or get chilly when he leaves that area.
12-21-2015 10:37 PM
nicole92
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Originally Posted by Lilysmommy View Post
It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep the bowl of water even after his infection has cleared up! They tend to be much easier for hedgehogs to drink from than water bottles, and they're also easier to clean daily. Water bottles should also be cleaned daily, but it's harder which can make it easy to skip on.

It sounds like you're doing great with him so far, so just try to relax! You've done everything right in this situation - got him a heat set up, got him to the vet to get checked out, and you're getting him treated. I'm sure he'll be back to normal in no time.
thanks again! one more thing, i took the wheel out of his cage for now because i noticed that every time he went on it he would seem to get dizzy or exhausted and lay his head down as if to stabilize then would fall asleep there after only a minute or two of using it. i was afraid he would either tire himself out with the wheel or become cold sleeping on the hard plastic rather than on his heating pad or bedding. (the ceramic heat emitter is clipped on his cage directly above the wheel but i still was worried he might get cold from the plastic). however, since taking it out, he seems to be trying to climb the sides of his cage walls which he has never done before and in doing so he keeps sliding down and landing on his side. it doesnt seem to hurt him or anything but he does seem to struggle a bit to get back up. should i give the wheel back to him to stop this behavior or should i keep the wheel out until he is feeling better? i dont want him to get bored but i also dont want him to exhaust himself trying to run on a wheel when he isnt feeling well.
12-21-2015 10:23 PM
Lilysmommy It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep the bowl of water even after his infection has cleared up! They tend to be much easier for hedgehogs to drink from than water bottles, and they're also easier to clean daily. Water bottles should also be cleaned daily, but it's harder which can make it easy to skip on.

It sounds like you're doing great with him so far, so just try to relax! You've done everything right in this situation - got him a heat set up, got him to the vet to get checked out, and you're getting him treated. I'm sure he'll be back to normal in no time.
12-21-2015 08:39 PM
nicole92
thank you!

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Originally Posted by Lilysmommy View Post
He's much too young for WHS, and it also typically appears much more slowly. Agreed with the previous replies that it's very unlikely to be WHS.

An ear infection is a good possibility, and his behavior seems to match that as well. Sounds like his cage is warm enough, and I would definitely keep that up. See how the antibiotics go. Hopefully it is just an ear infection and the antibiotics will clear it up quickly.
thank you so much for your help. so far he has had just two doses of antibiotics and seems a little better already. he is falling over quite a bit but mostly to one side - possibly the side that has the infection? - but seems to be in better spirits and keeps trying to play despite the falls. i gave him a bowl of water (rather than his normal water bottle) that he drank right up so i may keep that in his cage to pump him full of fluids as i know fluids help with ear infections in humans. thank you again for your help, i am still very new to owning a hedgehog and just want the very best for my little guy. I am expecting a phone call from the vet in the morning and he has an appointment to be seen Thursday with a tentative emergency visit scheduled for tomorrow afternoon if the vet determines it is needed (but only for an emergency as i would have to miss work to bring him and definitely need to keep working with all these vet bills hes had lately!). thank you so much to everyone that answered, you have definitely eased my worrying mind!
12-21-2015 08:23 PM
Lilysmommy He's much too young for WHS, and it also typically appears much more slowly. Agreed with the previous replies that it's very unlikely to be WHS.

An ear infection is a good possibility, and his behavior seems to match that as well. Sounds like his cage is warm enough, and I would definitely keep that up. See how the antibiotics go. Hopefully it is just an ear infection and the antibiotics will clear it up quickly.
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