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08-01-2010 10:09 AM
Nancy
Re: Orphaned baby

You are talking about line breeding. Yes, line breeding can bring out good traits but it can also bring out bad traits and doubles the risk of WHS being passed on if it is in the lineage. Line breeding requires long clean lineages with no hereditary or familial diseases, defects, or undesirable traits.

Breeding a petstore hedgie to it's parent, grandparent or sibling is NOT line breeding. That is nothing more than inbreeding and the risk of genetic diseases, deformities etc is high.

Of course people buying from petstores rarely care what sex they are getting. They are the people that usually buy on impulse, knowing nothing about the animal and depend on minimum wage, know nothing petstore employees to guide them. A petstore situation is not what you use to judge the market for hedgehogs in your area.

People who buy from breeders usually want and deserve to have a well bred pet and a breeder who is knowledgeable about the species. There are way too many backyard breeders around breeding petstore and rescue hedgehogs. They don't know enough about hedgehogs that they should be owning one let alone breeding. Knowledge comes from experience and owning one or two hedgehogs for a couple of months does not give either knowledge or experience.

If you want to breed, research, own a couple hedgehogs for a few years and learn about the species. Then buy a quality breeding pair and do it ethically, responsibly and be reputable. We have enough backyard breeders out there already. Don't become another one.
08-01-2010 09:47 AM
lovesnuffles
Re: Orphaned baby

I don't think it's called inbred when it's with parents. It's called cross breeding. In animals at least. Now a sibling to a sibling would be inbred. ((I breed reptiles ... somewhat.)) Inbreeding brings out the bad traits ... Cross breeding actually brings out the good traits that people want to keep. I dunno if the same goes for hedgehogs, but as far as I know, with any other animal that's how it goes.

And don't worry. Like I said, I wouldn't ever breed unless I knew something about it first. With any pair of hedgies. And Kelly lives about an 1.5-2 hours away from me, and I think she's mostly selling to other would-be breeders. The people at the pet store who all bought hedgehogs never cared what sex they were unless they had a specific name set in mind for it. Totally different crowd from Baton Rouge to Slidell/New Orleans though. TOTALLY different. BUT LIKE I SAID: I would NOT breed unless I knew something about it first.
07-31-2010 07:09 PM
Nancy
Re: Orphaned baby

Yes, if you are considering breeding, get an unrelated pair with good lineage.

Breeding is expensive if something goes wrong. Until you can afford what could be as much as $1000 vet bill at a moments notice, don't even think about it. When things go wrong they go wrong fast and need to be treated fast.

Since you live near Kelly, if she can't sell males, what makes you think you would be able to? On average, there are more males born than females. I wonder why she can't sell males? I've always found that the majority of people don't really care what sex it is.
07-31-2010 06:31 PM
nikki
Re: Orphaned baby

So this female in inbred? grandfather is also father?? even more reason to never breed her. If you're really serious about getting into breeding, buy a male and female from breeders where you know their background for numerous generations and that you know haven't been inbred.

If you do get a male from Kelly, please please please make sure that the two hedgies never meet, not even for a second. Its really not worth the risk, and even supervised they could end up mating, and even if they don't, meeting will just frustrate them and cause the female to ovulate for no reason.
07-31-2010 06:26 PM
lovesnuffles
Re: Orphaned baby

Well I know two generations of her lineage :P Her mom and dad .... and her grandma .... and her grandpa is kinda her dad also .... But we won't tell her that because it might devastate her for life o.o I know it would devastate me!!

But I can see your point. But I still want a male Mostly cause I really like them and because Kelly is having a hard time selling males and she's got a waiting list a mile long for females .... So it just makes more sense to go with a male o.o Since apparently they're so readily available.
07-31-2010 06:18 PM
LarryT
Re: Orphaned baby

Quote:
Originally Posted by lovesnuffles
Thanks everyone for the compliments!! She is definitely a cutie! Is her coloring really that cute though? Lol, I always thought that these looked rather plain ... That's why the first one I had picked out was a Cinnamon.

I've also been toying around with the idea of buying a male from Kelly Williams one day. I mean, not anytime soon. Not until I get a new job and get financially stable, which hopefully will be soon. I wouldn't breed them though unless I knew a crap load about it first. But I'm really just falling in love with hedgies!!
I would never breed this orphaned baby since you don't know her linage and she came from a petstore
07-31-2010 06:14 PM
lovesnuffles
Re: Orphaned baby

Thanks everyone for the compliments!! She is definitely a cutie! Is her coloring really that cute though? Lol, I always thought that these looked rather plain ... That's why the first one I had picked out was a Cinnamon.

I've also been toying around with the idea of buying a male from Kelly Williams one day. I mean, not anytime soon. Not until I get a new job and get financially stable, which hopefully will be soon. I wouldn't breed them though unless I knew a crap load about it first. But I'm really just falling in love with hedgies!!
07-31-2010 02:33 PM
EryBee
Re: Orphaned baby

It looks like your little hedgie has beautiful coloring!
07-31-2010 03:02 AM
Hedgieonboard
Re: Orphaned baby

You did a great job finding a way for the little baby to live and there is only so much you can do. It sounds like you did an absolutely awesome job trying to care for the animals and hopefully they straighten up and don't undo your hard work.
07-30-2010 09:11 PM
Puffers315
Re: Orphaned baby

You tried and that is what counts, and in the end you saved the life of at least one orphaned hedgehog who is super cute, I love her colors. And yeah sadly the pet store will probably continue the way they have, despite the information available. I wish there was a group that could counter-act against the bad crap like that, I know at least here in NY the pet stores have to get a USDA Certificate to have hedgehogs, which then you could call them and they'd go inspect the situation. But yeah when you first came on here, I knew it was probably a bad deal going down in that pet store, females breeding back to back, the fact they had a hard time sexing them or just keeping them together in giant bins. Understandable that you couldn't stay, a human can only take so much, especially when you don't have the power to actually change everything. But you tried, and that is the most important thing.
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