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Old 02-17-2019, 07:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I adopted my hedgehog, Bean, at the end of January 2018 when he was around a year old. Once I started handling him, I noticed that his skin looked terrible: yellowy, flaky, etc. (see first pic). Also, he had significant quill loss in my first few months of having him- not as much as some hedgehogs will have, but enough that losing quills in the double-digits wouldn't be surprising.

I was really concerned about this when I got him, but I was hesitant to take him to the vet because I thought it could just be normal dry skin that would clear up with a better diet/shampoo/environment. Unfortunately, this never happened in the time that I've had him, but it's strange because there have been some periods of time where his skin looked a lot better before we even made the decision to take him to the vet (see second pic- his quills are very thin, but skin is much less flaky?). His skin never completely cleared up, but I still debated whether or not to take him to the vet, mostly because he didn't seem to be in pain,( though I did notice that he would eventually start getting some tiny scabs and redness around his quill line- presumably from itching).

Eventually, in August of last year, I decided that his condition did warrant a visit to the vet to confirm whether he had "normal" dry skin or not. The vet did a skin scrape while we were there and found one sickly mite, so we did a course of oral Ivomec and Metacam. I'm aware that Ivomec can be dangerous and would never be willing to risk it again, but the vet didn't carry Revolution and was convinced that Ivomec had a much higher success rate. After I communicated my concerns, he agreed to give Bean a smaller dosage for his weight, and I of course monitored him very closely.

Unfortunately, Bean's skin looked the same after this... After waiting for a month to see if the dry skin would heal (since I've heard it can take some time to go away after mite treatments), we decided to take him back to the vet. After giving him another skin scrape and finding only a few dead mites, the vet told us to keep doing only the Metacam for another week, which had no effect on the dryness of his skin. In December, we decided to bring Bean to the vet for a third time, and a different vet suggested that we try a round of Bactrim to rule out any bacterial infections. We agreed to her idea and tried the Bactrim for 10 days but still saw no improvement. The last 3 pictures attached are what his skin looks like now.

Since the Bactrim treatment, I've followed up with the vet by email to discuss further possibilities, and she said there are some less common causes of dry skin such as endocrine changes, cancer, inflammation, nutritional problems, etc., along with the more common mite/skin infections. So now, I'm still trying to decide what the best thing to do would be because his skin problems are driving me crazy! The possible courses of action I'm considering are...

1. Treating for a fungal infection: We could try this just to see if it helps, but I don't want to give him unnecessary medication just for the sake of ruling out possibilities.
2. Biopsy: During our last vet visit, the vet also suggested doing a biopsy, which would cost $300+. My biggest concern is that this is more invasive with a higher risk of complications/infections. Also, the vet mentioned that his issues might not be significant enough to go to such lengths, but the pro is that we would most likely know what the underlying problem is.
3. More skin scrapes/tests: This one is pretty self-explanatory. I just wouldn't want to do this and end up needing the biopsy anyways!
4. Try a different vet and see if they have Revolution: I'm considering that he might still have some mite issues, so we could always try treating for that with Revolution. I just think that his case is a little strange because he is still growing new quills and doesn't have any bald spots after over a year, only a general thinness of quills.
5. More "home remedies": I've tried flaxseed oil a few times in the past, but I've considered trying different oils or a humidifier. I'm just not convinced that he only has "normal" dry skin.

Other info:
His diet is a mix of three high quality cat foods: Chicken Soup for the Soul Weight & Mature, Solid Gold Winged Tiger, and Blue Buffalo Turkey and Potato. The only treat that he likes so far is plain cooked chicken (he even turns his nose up to mealworms!).
He gets a bath ~once a month, and I use the Aveeno oatmeal baby soap.
His cage temp is always ~73-77 degrees Fahrenheit, and his bedding is part plain Kaytee and part anti-pill fleece.

I would really appreciate any advice on what I should do, and sorry for such a long post! Thanks!
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Revolution sounds like a good try but it could be fungal or a possible food allergy. Just like some food ingrediants can help skin issues if an animal is allergic to something it can cause skin issues.
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I have given a lot of thought to doing the Revolution, but I'm hesitant to go through the hassle of taking him to a different vet to get it ... I'm also a little bit puzzled because his skin issues aren't progressively getting worse; the dryness and quill loss have been very consistent for a long time. Since he did get slightly better after I adopted him, he currently loses 2-4 quills a day (although they sometimes have a yellowy-orange build-up on them) and he has a fair amount of new quill growth. After over a year of having him, he still doesn't have any "bald spots," and I feel like he would by now if the problem was mites ... but maybe not?

I just feel like this is a situation where there isn't really a clear-cut solution to the problem, and I'm struggling to decide what the best course of action would be! I just really want to do the right thing for Bean because I know we're both frustrated with his skin issues...
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Old 02-24-2019, 03:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hey there! Honestly, my advice would be to definitey get a second opinion. It can’t hurt, and it’ll be significantly cheaper since it would be a new patient exam than if you were to keep “elevating” the tests at your current vet. I’m not saying that your vet is on a wrong path, as I’m not a vet, but it sounds like something might be missing that another vet might have the answer to. Is this vet a small mammal/exotic vet? That would actually be my first concern. I’ve said in other posts that if you don’t have access to an exotic vet to go to a dog/cat just for a basic exam/checkup, but if you do have an exotic vet and aren’t using their specialty, I would highly recommend it!
If you did want to try another home remedy, and one of the dry diets you’re using doesn’t have it, you could try taurine a couple timesheet a week. I don’t have many facts/testimonials on it with hedgehog use, but we use it on a wide variety of species at work, and my girls diet does have a v small percentage of taurine. It’s a pretty universal skin/fur/coat strengthening oil.
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Actually, the vet we take Bean to now is the only exotic vet in the area, and it unfortunately isn't even very close to my location! I know there are a few dog and cat vets near me that will see exotics, so that's where we would end up taking him to get a second opinion. I agree that this would probably be the most cost-effective thing to try, and I suppose I could always take him back for some more diagnostic tests at his normal vet if necessary. Hopefully we won't have to take too many more vet visits before getting this all figured out though!

I haven't heard of using taurine supplements before, so I'll definitely look into that too. Thanks!
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Has the vet mentioned doing a culture and sensitivity test? I know you mentioned treating him with bactrim, but I've had hedgehogs who didn't get better and a C&S test showed they had strain of bacteria that was resistant to the commonly prescribed antibiotics. Just something else to consider if it hasn't been already.
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