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Old 12-04-2013, 08:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Vet gave my hedgehog ivermectin and revolution.

Hi all. I just came back from the vet with Dumpling. I went to get him checked for mites. The vet gave him a dose of Ivermectin and one dose of revolution. I've read about ivermectin and the side effects so before he got the syringes, I saw him write something that started with "Iv" in the file so I asked if that was ivermectin. He told me it was ivomec. He DID NOT mention anything about ivermectin at this point, because if he had, i would not have gone ahead with it. He mentioned revolution, but definitely not ivermectin.
(He did give me Ivomec, but the Ivomec is kind of like a cleaning solution for the cage to kill off mites).
He came back with two syringes which were the same size so I assumed they were both Revolution, then he put them over Dumpling. Her'es the thing. I know that the Revolution was applied topically, because he said so himself, but I'm not sure about the Ivermectin. I've read that Ivermectin is safer if applied topically. How do I know that it was applied topically? Dumpling didn't curl up or anything throughout the process. They were put over (in?) his quills. Up til this point, I still did not know it was Ivermectin.

I was going through the invoice in the car, and to my horror, I see that I was charged for '1 Ivermectin Inj Exotics' and '1 revolution 6mg kg pink single'.
Can you even mix these two together? I am so angry. Is there any reason that he would not mention ivermectin at all? I don't know if it was a miscommunication and he thought i was saying Ivomec strangely, but I AM SO FUCKING MAD. I even checked their website before I made an appointment there. They mention Revolution treatment, but not Ivermectin.

Dumpling is now hissy and huffy, probably from the car ride home. Is there anything I should look out for? He is 0.59 kg.What should I do???? Can it be washed off? I am awfully worried.

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Old 12-04-2013, 08:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's a "What the [anything I write will be auto-censored, so use your imagination]?!" moment with a vet, and a reason to yell at him.

However, a topical application is much safer than an injection. It sounds like it was probably topical. And I have no idea why they would mix the two medications -- one alone should be enough. Either they used both, and charged you for unnecessary medication, or they used one and double-charged you for both, or... something weird was going on. That's not normal.

You're in Vancouver -- which vet did you go to? I've had to fight hard with Westview in North Vancouver before about using just Revolution. I had good luck going to West Arbutus in Kits, but we went for mysterious-woes, not mites, so I don't know what their attitude towards it is.

Did they give you the rest of the Revolution vial so you can do the remaining treatments yourself?
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Old 12-04-2013, 08:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's a "What the [anything I write will be auto-censored, so use your imagination]?!" moment with a vet, and a reason to yell at him.

However, a topical application is much safer than an injection. It sounds like it was probably topical. And I have no idea why they would mix the two medications -- one alone should be enough. Either they used both, and charged you for unnecessary medication, or they used one and double-charged you for both, or... something weird was going on. That's not normal.

You're in Vancouver -- which vet did you go to? I've had to fight hard with Westview in North Vancouver before about using just Revolution. I had good luck going to West Arbutus in Kits, but we went for mysterious-woes, not mites, so I don't know what their attitude towards it is.

Did they give you the rest of the Revolution vial so you can do the remaining treatments yourself?
I went to Cypress Animal Hospital in Kits. Is it possible for a hedgehog to overdose on mite medication? I read reviews on Yelp and people seemed satisfied.. now I'm re-reading them again and I have only just noticed the 'hidden' reviews. People say they were charged extra, and there was a case of a cat being diagnosed with fleas, but then his owners found out he didn't have fleas later on. Which worries me even more because Dumpling wasn't losing quills, he just had white flakes and was scratching a lot at night, so now I'm wondering if he just had dry skin.
He told me to come back in 10 days if the scratching doesn't stop. Oh my goodness now I'm regretting my decision of choosing this vet.

EDIT: I realized I snapped a picture (i was excited then because first mite treatment=memories! but not so now) of one of the shots. Could anyone tell me if this was topical or not please? http://postimg.org/image/5scvyl9bz/

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Old 12-04-2013, 08:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ivomec is ivermectin. I don't understand why the vet would use both.

Did he at any time take Dumpling out of the room you were in? If not, then I think you would know if he was injected. Both the Ivermectin and the Revolution doses may have been in a syringe which was put against the skin. The picture is impossible to tell if there was a needle on the syringe but he is not curled up so I doubt it was a needle.

You mention he gave you Ivomec for cleaning the cage? Is it on the receipt?
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Ivomec is ivermectin. I don't understand why the vet would use both.

Did he at any time take Dumpling out of the room you were in? If not, then I think you would know if he was injected. Both the Ivermectin and the Revolution doses may have been in a syringe which was put against the skin. The picture is impossible to tell if there was a needle on the syringe but he is not curled up so I doubt it was a needle.

You mention he gave you Ivomec for cleaning the cage? Is it on the receipt?
Yes it's on the receipt. It's 1ml of Ivomec and he told me to dilute it in 1 litre of water, and spray it on all his belongings. I was with Dumpling the whole time. Is it bad to have both used in one treatment? I haven't found anything on it. Should I give him a bath to try and wash it all off (does this work?) and in a few weeks time go to a different vet for Revolution?
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...those mitts are pretty intense. I'm not sure why a vet would be so terrified of getting spiked by a relatively-tame hedgehog.

I don't know enough to know if it's a problem, but from the archives it looks like the reaction happens fairly quickly (within a day of each exposure) if it's going to, so hopefully you rolled the dice and it's fine.

If it were my tiny quillball, I'd count this as a learning experience, call up the vet to yell at them and dispute charges (like, why he gave you double mite treatments, which if not directly harmful, is at least a waste of money), and go to a different vet in the future.

For disinfecting a cage, I've found submerging in hot water for a few minutes works wonders, particularly with a bit of white vinegar. If it can't be submerged, wiping it down with diluted bleach, the rinsing that off, should be sufficient. I don't know why you'd need ivomec specifically.

Arbutus West is close to campus -- corner of 16th & MacDonald. I just wrote up a review of them in the reviews section, but the biggest point is that the owner-vet is totally a geek. His people-skills unnerve some people (check out the yelp reviews), but he's obviously into learning every single thing he possibly can about the creatures under his care (check out the hidden yelp reviews; I really do hate that algorithm). I'd also be surprised if he didn't have the biggest hedgehog-cliental in the city, seeing about 50 a year (I had no idea they were such a popular pet in Vancouver!). Apparently the vets can be a bit hit or miss (he's still building up his team after buying the clinic a few years ago), so ask for Dr. Burstyn in particular.
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Thank you so much for your advice annie&tibbers – i'm monitoring him closely now and tomorrow i'll call Dr. Burstyn to check whether I should send him down for an examination. I've read the reviews on Yelp, apart from the people skills (haha) he really does seem like a nice person – there was a hidden review about him helping a homeless guy and his rabbit. That's really admirable. Someone should organize a Vancouver hedgey meet up one day!

Thank you again, I've spent the last hour getting vinegar and cleaning his cage like you mentioned, hence the late reply.
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Yeah, they do a lot of work with the local shelters for cats & dogs. Although it's not officially stated, I get the impression that things are a bit sliding-scale when he sees people that can't afford to give their animals the care they need. I wrote up a more detailed review in our vets-review section, but as I said before, I don't actually know if he's a Revolution or an Ivermectin-recommending vet (we haven't gone for mites). He is really good about taking an owner's views and input seriously -- we disagreed on food (zoos recommend food strikes me as unhealthy cardboard), but he didn't argue or push it on me when I chose not to go with it.

Good luck. I'm absolutely willing to be overruled by someone with Ivermectin experience (I wasn't even paying attention to hedgehogs when the last horror-story made it into the archives), but I think if you get through the next little while, you're in the clear. Since vet appointments are so expensive for our exotics, you might try to hold off a little bit, at least until it's time for the follow-up Revolution treatment (2-4 weeks) if they didn't give you the medication to dose at home yourself.
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