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Old 04-09-2018, 12:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,
As some of you know, Quilly was sick last fall and they weren't sure what he had. CAT scans, bloodwork, ultrasounds, and X-RAYS were all inconclusive. But the good news is that over the last nearly-6 months, a daily antibiotic and antimicrobial have significantly reduced the signs of infection in his lungs.

Given the length of time he has been on these medications (alongside a probiotic as well), he's had mites. I've treated him twice in the last 4 months with rounds of Revolution and literally replaced all the fleece in his castle instead of just washing it. The first round was 2 treatments, the second was 3 treatments, and all were 2 weeks apart, with about a month in between applications.

He is still itching though! The vet is suggesting an injection which I believe is Ivermectin. The vet, I might add, is amazing, an exotic vet specialist who is very considerate of the knowledge this group brings to hedgehog care and is very well informed.

I know there have been some very horrible experiences with Ivermectin and hedgehogs. Are there any other options after so much Revolution and a complete cage revamp?

Any advice and comments are welcome.

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Old 04-10-2018, 01:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The vet is obviously not well informed if they want to use Ivermectin, which has harmed and killed so many hedgehogs. I don't know what the next step is, but whatever you do, do NOT use Ivermectin if you value your hedgehog's life!
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Oh poor Quilly, I'm sorry to hear he's been through a lot

Is it definitely mites? Could something else be causing the scratching, like dry or dirty quills or even just stress? What do you bathe him in? If you use any soaps, washes or oils I'd try just using water for a while and see if it makes a difference, also don't give him baths too often. You could also try a humidifier perhaps the air is drying his skin out causing it to itch? Or an air purifier might also be help especially if he's had a severe URI recently.

The vet probably is referring to ivermectin if it's an injection and I believe this is the most dangerous form (can also be given orally and I think topically). The reason why it is dangerous and there have been hedgehog fatalities is because it is easy for hedgehogs to overdose on it if given too much of a dose. Since all hedgies are different sizes and weight I think this is how some vets get the dosage wrong and usually it's the second dose treatment which can be fatal. If it was me I probably wouldn't risk it, especially since he's already had a lot of medication in the past 6 months (which would have lowered his immune system) and before ruling out any other possibitlity for the scratching (unless of course mites are clearly visible?). I'm sure ive also read that they are more prone to get an outbreak of mites when their immune systems are low. There are always some mites living on them and bacteria but it is when there immune systems are comprised that the mites breed and an infestation occurs. Perhaps additional vitamins or more nutrient packed food could help boost his immune system.

How's his hair by the way? I remember you saying before he was loosing hair behind his ears as well. Yuki's hairloss is getting worse and I really don't know what's causing it to fall out all behind his ears (he also had two treatments of revolution earlier this year and it hasn't made a difference. Although his tattered ears aren't so tattered at least but I think the coconut oil helped with that ><)
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Thanks Yukidama's Mama, I know you've had your fair share of issues with Yuki as well! I use Aveeno baby wash or hedgehog's and friends when we bathe, and never more than 1x a month, plus maybe 1x more for a footbath. There is a humidifier in the room, although admittedly I could probably put a bigger one in there.

I just spoke to the vet's office, and the vet is going to call me back. They are going to have him for boarding next week, and will take a look, perhaps do another mite scraping and look and observe more closely on what is happening with him to see if they can help figure it out.

And yes - he still has a couple of small patches of hair loss near his quills, towards the front of his body. I've never had any problems with his ears though. Thank goodness the coconut oil worked so well for Yuki!!

I'll keep you posted as far as what the vet says. I trust this guy, a lot - he saved Quilly's life when a lot of other vets would have given up. He does his research, and knows his stuff well.
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I would ask them to do a skin scrape and culture to look for bacterial or fungal infections.
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Haha yes I'm still trying to figure out his hair loss and why insects make him vomit ><. Sounds like he has similar hairloss on his body (Yuki's starts behind his ears but also goes down past his shoulders close to the quill line. It looks like the hairs have been plucked
Im going to try adding some vitamin e oil to his food to see if it helps...

Ah that's really good and reassuring you have a great vet who you can trust. I hope he can help figure out the cause and Quilly's condition improves. Hope his stay at the vets goes ok too. Keep us posted ♡
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Thanks Yuki and Nikki! That's exactly what they are going to do while he is at the vet - do a skin scraping and see what's up, then treat based on the results. I'll let you know next week what the results end up being!
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Good luck! ♡
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