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Hedgiepets 08-22-2008 12:34 PM

Breeding basics
 
A female should NOT be bred under the age of 6 months, nor bred for the first time over the age of one year. The gestation period is about 35 days, but can be as long as 49 days. If you happen to find that your female has given birth, DO NOT disturb her for 2 weeks, with the exception of giving her food and water. How do you know there are babies in the nest? You will hear squeaks or chirps. Take out the wheel. Do not try to clean the cage until babies are weaned. Babies will start to eat out of mom’s food dish at about 4 weeks old. Babies will need to be weaned at about 6 weeks old. The males need to be separated from mom and sisters by 7 weeks of age.

How old should a male be before breeding? Males should be about 4 months old. But males and females alike, are capable of breeding at 7 weeks, but it is not healthy for them.

It only takes a couple of seconds for a male and female to breed, so never allow a male and female playtime together. Never house a male and female together. If they are housed together, the male will constantly be mating with the female. If they are together when she has babies, they will eat them.

Don’t breed your hedgehogs, because you want to experience babies, or you have friends that want a baby hedgehog. Breeding is not an easy, fast, money making proposition. You risk the life of your female, everytime you breed her.

Timeskimmer 05-24-2009 08:57 AM

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This is absolutely important information and I would like to point out that ALWAYS take precautions when breeding, be it mice, hedgies or dogs.

Albrecht 12-06-2010 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgiepets
How old should a male be before breeding? Males should be about 4 months old. But males and females alike, are capable of breeding at 7 weeks, but it is not healthy for them.

really? i thought males should be at least 5mo old.. thanks! :D

Nancy 12-07-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hedgiepets
How old should a male be before breeding? Males should be about 4 months old. But males and females alike, are capable of breeding at 7 weeks, but it is not healthy for them.

really? i thought males should be at least 5mo old.. thanks! :D

At 4 months, some males haven't quite reached fertility yet so may not be able to impregnate the girl. Usually it's not a problem but can happen on occasion.

Albrecht 12-16-2010 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy
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Originally Posted by Albrecht
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Originally Posted by Hedgiepets
How old should a male be before breeding? Males should be about 4 months old. But males and females alike, are capable of breeding at 7 weeks, but it is not healthy for them.

really? i thought males should be at least 5mo old.. thanks! :D

At 4 months, some males haven't quite reached fertility yet so may not be able to impregnate the girl. Usually it's not a problem but can happen on occasion.

but its okay to start the male breeding at least 4mo old right? umm what are the adverse effects of breeding the male too soon?

Nancy 12-16-2010 08:25 AM

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As I've already mentioned, he might not be fully fertile enough to impregnate the girl at 4 months.

Albrecht 12-27-2010 09:43 AM

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As I've already mentioned, he might not be fully fertile enough to impregnate the girl at 4 months.

ahhh i see.. so there would be no alterations on their growth and development..? somebdy told me that it could hinder the male hedgehog's growth if you're to make him mate to soon..

Nancy 12-27-2010 11:43 AM

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It's the female that it can not only affect their growth but be risky for them if bred before 6 months. The males just might not be up to the task yet.

Albrecht 12-28-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy
It's the female that it can not only affect their growth but be risky for them if bred before 6 months. The males just might not be up to the task yet.

wow thanks so much for the help.. learned a lot.. thanks!!! :D

Badme 01-10-2011 09:48 PM

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I just want to ask:

What is the standard gap between the 1st breeding and the second breeding? or in a year how often can a female be pregnant (base to standard breeding)? and up until what age we need to stop breeding her?

Coz for me I only breed my female twice a year or every 6 months. And I'll stop breeding my female if they reach to 2 & 1/2 years old. Coz base to what I read breeding them more than that years is too risky for the hedgehogs.

LizardGirl 01-10-2011 10:28 PM

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Standard is just as you are doing, 6 months. So you could pair a female on January first, and then again on June first, and that'd be the appropriate amount of time.




Nancy 01-12-2011 10:04 AM

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I've always been told and have always followed, to breed again 6 months from the date of birth of the previous litter. :)

nikki 01-12-2011 01:05 PM

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I have, on occasion, waited up to a year between litters because of going on holidays etc, and its never affected the success rate of the breedings.

LarryT 01-12-2011 01:09 PM

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Alot of breeders will breed again 8-12 weeks from weaning depending on the litter size and how mom faired and such.

Kobe 02-17-2011 01:35 PM

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So you guys wouldnt recommend breeding them for the first time after one year? Is that simply to get them used to breeding when they are kindof young (between 6-12 months) so it doesnt negatively affect them after they are 1 year old and relatively stable?

The reason why i ask is that I have a lot of stuff going on right now and will for the next while, but eventually would like to expand my litter by breeding my girl (I do not have a male but thats a whole seperate issue). This would probably be at around 1 year from her birth (currently 8 weeks old).

Immortalia 02-17-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobe
So you guys wouldnt recommend breeding them for the first time after one year? Is that simply to get them used to breeding when they are kindof young (between 6-12 months) so it doesnt negatively affect them after they are 1 year old and relatively stable?

The reason why i ask is that I have a lot of stuff going on right now and will for the next while, but eventually would like to expand my litter by breeding my girl (I do not have a male but thats a whole seperate issue). This would probably be at around 1 year from her birth (currently 8 weeks old).

The female's pelvis starts fusing as they grow older, so breeding after 1 year is dangerous and usually fatal, as her pelvis has pretty much fused.

Where did you get your girl from? Is this your first hedgehog? Why do you wish to breed? Are you planning just 1 litter? Do you have a mentor to help guide you? Does your girl have a pedigree?
Did you buy her from PapilionRu(on this board)? She is the only real reputable breeder in Toronto right now, and she's the only one with hedgehogs that would actually be considered breeding quality. So it may be wise to contact her directly and talk about whether your girl is actually breeding quality or not. Or perhaps just have her as just a pet for now, and then think about breeding by the time you are ready for a second hedgie.
And, as you can see from her post here https://hedgehogcentral.com/forums/vi...p=76042#p76042 it gives a brief sum of how much it can all cost, obvious not nearly as much since you seem to only want 1 litter, but either way, still good to have a few thousand dollars on hand(or by credit) for emergencies if you wish to breed.

Kobe 02-17-2011 03:34 PM

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I got her from a breeder that services pet shops in the GTA but lives in roughly Parry Sound. This is my second hedgehog and i would want to breed to have many hedgehogs (not for making money). I would plan for just one litter and do not have a mentor. I dont know much about my hedgehogs past but would that matter if i would have no intention on selling?

I am not locked into this idea and it would be a long time in the future. I was just toying with the idea and wanted to learn more about the 1 year limit. It makes sense! I could see how it could be fatal for an older hedgie to give birth for the first time. Thanks for the advice.

susanaproenca 02-17-2011 04:09 PM

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I dont know much about my hedgehogs past but would that matter if i would have no intention on selling?

It would matter because, if your hedgehog has any one in her lineage within 5 generations that have developed Wobbly Hedgehog Syndrome, then your hedgehog could still be carrying the genes for it -- therefore her litter would be at risk of having/developing this horrible disease. The only way you can be sure you are going to have healthy babies is by knowing her lineage back 5 generations.

Kobe 02-17-2011 04:20 PM

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oh really, wow! okay well before i even think about it i will figure it out. thanks for the advice. (I most likely wont breed, i was just curious on some info. Just to put that out there)

HodgepodgeHedgehog 04-28-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgiepets
A female should NOT be bred under the age of 6 months, nor bred for the first time over the age of one year.

i'm not planning to ever breed, and i understand why they shouldn't be bred und the age of 6 months, but why not over the age of 1 year? (just curious)

HodgepodgeHedgehog 04-28-2011 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgiepets
A female should NOT be bred under the age of 6 months, nor bred for the first time over the age of one year.

i'm not planning to ever breed, and i understand why they shouldn't be bred und the age of 6 months, but why not over the age of 1 year? (just curious)

okay, disregard this post...i didn't read the ones just ahead of it, or i would've gotten my answer...THANK YOU!

Konakuer 06-10-2012 09:00 PM

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My hedgehog is about 9 months old, I want her to have babies but it would be around her 10 or 11 month, is it really dangerous? I will get a male hedgehog soon and I would like to start breeding since there aren't a lot of hedgehog breeders around my city, but I don't want to "experiment" with my female hedgie if it is really dangerous... I read on another site it's only dangerous after 1,5 year old.

06-10-2012 09:20 PM

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It's dangerous to deliver after 12 months so you'd need to breed by 10 months to be safe.

Do you have lineage on your hedgehog? Even of you do on the female getting a suitable male in time from a good breeder is unlikely as most good ones have wait lists. It might be better to wait and get anothe female for breeding later

Also you'll need a mentor Someone to help you with the process

Konakuer 06-10-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilyhogs
It's dangerous to deliver after 12 months so you'd need to breed by 10 months to be safe.

Do you have lineage on your hedgehog? Even of you do on the female getting a suitable male in time from a good breeder is unlikely as most good ones have wait lists. It might be better to wait and get anothe female for breeding later

Also you'll need a mentor Someone to help you with the process

I know the male has a good lineage since I know the breeder, but I am not sure about the mother... I was thinking too about getting another female, I guess there is not problem with the age of males.

Thanks for all the information posted here. :)

06-11-2012 12:04 AM

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Males can breed at any age , it's the female that has limits.

If your iffy on her lineage you shouldnt breed her.

Catters 08-15-2012 03:07 AM

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A question for the experienced hedgie owners: When is the best time to start doing a quick health check on the babies? And when is best to start handling them?
Some posts mention from 2 weeks on, others mention from around 4 weeks.
And I'm not going near the baby or babies unless I know there won't be a problem!
thanks!

(I think I heard 2 hedgie babies squeak, but have only seen one. Am so excited to find out how many are hiding in the house!)

Nancy 08-15-2012 09:06 AM

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When to handle the babies totally depends on the mom. Usually by 2 weeks it is fine to start. Four weeks is too long unless mom has issues with it.

Of course, sometimes we have to look and check things out earlier than 2 weeks and it totally depends on mom how well she will tolerate it.

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 01:54 AM

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is it safe to breed a hedgie at the age of 10 months? mine is a female and i have a friend who has raised lots of exotic animals and has done his research plus he owns a male hedgie who is a little over 8 weeks old but he asked if i wanted to breed mine when his was old enough. mine is 6 months old right now so do you think that by the time his hedgie is old enough that mine would be ok to breed? or would it be unsafe?

Lilysmommy 08-28-2012 08:42 AM

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The age would be safe, but you guys should both make sure you have the pedigrees of your hedgehogs so you can check with the IHA and make sure there's no WHS in their lines. :)

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 05:35 PM

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what is IHA? im not sure about the pedigrees of either of our hedgies to be honest. hope that doesnt sound bad =/ i still been doing a lot of thinking on breeding my baby but idk if i will or not, im just afraid something bad might happen. i do know that my hedgie came from a USDA licensed breeder and i do know where shes from and i have the breeders signature and phone number and address and what not.

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 05:37 PM

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i will have to ask him about his hedgie, im sure he would know. he wants to own his own exotic pet shop and hes working on that. he has all sorts of exotics

Lilysmommy 08-28-2012 05:45 PM

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The IHA is the International Hedgehog Association. You can officially register your hedgehog with them, and if you have a hedgehog's pedigree, you can check with the IHA, who looks up the hedgehogs in your hedgehog's ancestry and can tell you how they died, whether it was from WHS or something else. The reason you want to check on this is to make sure that there's no WHS (Wobbly Hedgehog Syndrome) in either one's background. It's a heartbreaking genetic disease that, if the hedgehog ends up having it, appears anywhere from 18 months to 2-3 years and it progressively paralyzes your hedgehog. :( There's no cure for it so far, and the only way we know to deal with it is to avoid breeding any hedgehogs that have signs of it in their background. That's why people stress having a pedigree to check so much - no one wants to see people or hedgehogs to have to deal with something so hard. It ultimately comes down to you on whether you want to breed your hedgehog or not, but please do consider the possible consequences of not having the pedigrees to double-check. I just posted this, if you're interested in reading, on things to consider in general when thinking about breeding - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=19339

Also make sure to do lots of research! I apologize if that seems like an obvious thing to do, but we get a lot of people who come in without having done any and usually it's the hedgehogs (mama & babies) who suffer. Even if your friend is doing lots of research, you'll want to make sure you do too. After all, it's your girl who's most at risk, not the male. There's lots to know about breeding hedgehogs, even if you're only doing it once. There's a lot of information in this section of the forum (Breeding & Babies) that's good to go through, and it'd be good to keep in contact with your breeder and see if she's willing to be available for any late-night calls and such in case of issues.

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 06:25 PM

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ive been doing research on that. ive done a little research on breeding before i adopted maddie but at the time(just out of curiosity) i didnt worry too much about it because i had no intention of breeding her so i never thought i wanted to do it so i didnt worry about that. i have some extra time to do some more research in between and after doing my school work. i still have nothing but plenty of time to decide because his hedgie isnt old enough to breed. thank you for helping me :) i really do appreciate it. i havent contacted my breeder in like 5 months since i adopted her so idk if she has her pedigree or not =/ she breeds lots of other hedgies and other exotics. i know she owns a petshop but she keeps some of her animals in her home from what ive seen. i would think that she would of gave me maddies pedigree in case i had an intentions of breeding her.

Lilysmommy 08-28-2012 06:36 PM

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As far as I know, I don't think most breeders give out pedigrees unless they're specifically selling the hedgehog as a breeding quality hedgehog to another breeder, or unless the new owner requests the pedigree. If she's keeping track of her hedgehogs and keeping lineage records like she should, she should still be able to give you your girl's pedigree if you request it, though that doesn't necessarily mean she will. ;) Good luck contacting her!

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 07:14 PM

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hmm im sure shes sold so many hedgies , i wonder how she would be able to tell which one is which? i doubt she would have maddie's pedigree after this long, im not even sure who the mother is. i know that her brother was albino but thats about it.

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 07:17 PM

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even so if i dont breed maddie, which is perfectly fine with me but if im able to i would love to adopt another hedgie. My friend is wanting to breed to help make some extra money but idk how well that will go but if i do breed her i want to be careful and i would want to keep one of her babies but i would have to get a separate cage and wheel.

Immortalia 08-28-2012 07:22 PM

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A good breeder will have everything on file. The breeder should have your contact information as well as the hedgehogs identification and registry number if they register their hedgehogs. But either way, good breeder will have the information.

Good ethical breeders do not make money. It's not a get rich quick scheme. At any time you may lose the mom and babies or even the male. And if you wish to save them, it'll be expensive vet care. Good breeders just get by. Enough to break even and maybe have some extras. But they will never be rich just by doing this, which is why they have other jobs.

Also you will need at least 2 more extra cages. Most good breeders will wean the babies before letting them go to new homes to ensure they are eating well on their own. So you need at a minimum 2 more cage setups for the male and female babies.

Lilysmommy 08-28-2012 07:24 PM

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I would hope she'd still have some way to keep track, at least of the parents. But you're right, she may not have. To be honest, if you can't get the pedigree and check it for WHS, I'd personally suggest against breeding your hedgie. Also, you might want to let your friend know that breeding is rarely a way to make extra money - if you're doing it correctly, you may come out even, but that's about it. I'm glad that you're thinking so much about whether you want to do it or not! :) Too many people just decide to breed on a whim. And, hoping I don't seem too self-important or something :oops: , but because I wrote this for situations similar to this, I just posted a thread earlier on the subject of breeding, if you're interested in reading - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=19339

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 07:33 PM

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no your fine :) and thank you guys, you guys are right. i just somehow doubt she would have her pedigrees on file. i would think that since shes usda approved that she would be a good reputable breeder, but after it being this long i think it would be awkward to text or call and ask her if she has my hedgies pedigree on file especially since a lot of hedgies look alike and i assume she might have more than one mother so its hard telling who the mother is or if the mother was already sold. i guess it doesnt hurt to try asking the breeder i suppose? but if things dont work out then i highly doubt i will breed her, i told my friend that i would think about it but im leaning more towards NO on that than YES but i would be more than happy to adopt one more hedgie probably of the same gender. however im not ready to adopt another yet, i gotta makes plans and ideas and get the money too.

Maddie The Hedgehog 08-28-2012 07:36 PM

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to be honest i know that breeding is kinda complicated and you have to be careful with the mother, babies, and the father and keep the mom and dad separated but he just made it sound easy like it was no big deal. is that a bad thing?


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