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You should be sorry. You really hurt my feelings with the way you responded like my list was a piece of crap and I've had other members say the same that it was rude. This place really needs to stop playing favorites and start giving a crap about the animals themselves and the more useful information out there the better! It is totally discouraging for the new comers. Not a single animal message board I am on treats members like this one. It's really a shame.
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Here we go again. Why is it whenever someone doesn't like something that happens on here they say we play favourites. There is no playing favourites here. Had you asked if you could make a new food list you would have been denied. Had you asked prior to TWOCGAR asking, you would have been given permission. This is simply a case of,TWOCGAR asked first and since we already have a new improved food list in the works we don't need another.
TWOCGAR did ask some time ago, was given permission to do a new food list and has been given a few suggestions on how to make it the best food list possible. He is trying to do far more than simply stating food ingredients. He will be compiling information given by hopefully many people on foods they have tried over the years, had success with, failures and what seems to work best for their hedgehogs. His list will be based on the experiences of many both veteran owners as well as new people. Hopefully he will get a good result from his survey. Once it is finished, the other food list or lists will be removed. All multiple lists do is confuse people as often they contradict one another. Hopefully, if enough people participate, maybe it will show some patterns in the health of the hedgehogs on certain foods.
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Hey, I was just curious if the new list will include wet foods. Typically hedgies don't eat wet foods unless they are having trouble with teeth, but I've been looking for wet foods within the protein guidelines but with higher fat. Izzy and Harvey both need to gain weight. Just curious. It's not a big deal to calculate dry matter unless you're stuck in the cat food isle for two hours looking at every can.
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Hahaha I agree with Rainy. I wanted to give some wet food for a treat every once and a while. And I was looking at so many cans and reading ingredients and labels that I just gave up. I pretty much have the guidelines of hedgie food requirements mesmerized but I want to make sure I get the best. So a wet cat food list would be appreciated...hint, hint TWCOGAR. lol
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![]() Here's a link that explains it in more detail: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing- ... ter-basis/
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Great! thanks for the link!!!
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If anyone here thinks we play favorites, then you are wrong. A long time ago I was approached about updating Reaper's food list as it is very outdated. I told TWCOGAR to give it a shot and lets see what he comes up with. There is no need for multiple lists, especially if those lists contain the same information. Work together, create a joint list, we are a community afterall.
Wet foods cannot be compared to dry foods without doing some math. The %s are skewed because of the water content, you have to convert both to dry matter basis. Most dry foods are 10% water, wet foods can be 90% water. To try to compare without converting to dry matter basis is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are foods, but no where near being the same thing. I think there are many of us who have our own lists. I have one that I add to whenever I come across a new food. Mine contains the basics (protein, fat, etc) plus kcal/KG, fiber, Carb %, and shape. I also have formulas installed so that I can pick different foods and have it tell me what %s I'm really feeding as an even mix, or if I raise/lower one products amount in the mix. I add to it whenever I come across new foods, and whenever I have a specific dietary need. Mine is created to help me figure out which foods I can feed to different health conditions. For example, I use the carb % when I have one who has cancer, I concentrate on the kcal/kg when I have one that needs more calories, etc. I do not rely on anyone else here for food lists.
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Indeed and while I will eventually develop a easy non bias food listing of recommendations i am more excited about potentially linking some healthy things with diets to hedgehogs
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Thanks for answering. I'll continue to take my calculator to the pet food isle.
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