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Old 04-26-2012, 12:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I think I already know the answer, but... AZ breeders?

I'm looking at possibly getting a male hedgehog (to replace my stud) from another breeder in my state. She is an IHA/HBA breeder, and claims to be working towards a USDA license, although she has six females and and three males, so I'm uncomfortable that she hasn't obtained the license yet. I am also very concerned because while she claims they are breeding quality and lined for 5 generations... She also says the father is from a breeder in Arizona. As far as I am aware, hedgies are still illegal there. I am also unaware of any breeders there, let alone reputable breeders... Do any of you know more than I do about that? I would love not to have to have a hedgie shipped to me from an out-of-state breeder, but if this breeder is not quality, I don't want to be involved and I don't want to be breeding sickly hedgies because of misinformation. What do you guys think? Am I right to have my reservations here, or am I just being paranoid?
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: I think I already know the answer, but... AZ breeders?

I would stay far away. Hedgehogs are (still) illegal in AZ, so breeding there is irresponsible on so many levels, and you know for sure the AZ breeder doesn't have a USDA license. Personally, just as a pet-buyer I wouldn't purchase from someone without a USDA license who has more than 3 females. Avoiding the license that allows your breeding practices/facilities to be regulated .. is just plain sketchy. Since you're a breeder, yeah, you shouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: I think I already know the answer, but... AZ breeders?

That was my gut instinct, but I figured I'd throw the question out there for numerous opinions, because I know sometimes I'm a little paranoid/unrealistic about my expectations of breeders. It's really frustrating how few honest breeders there are in the state of Utah... Other than GIH, when she was here for a bit, I've yet to find one that I trust. I think I will just stick to my original plan and get my stud from out of state.
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I wouldn't go by having a USDA license as having any bearing, other than she is obviously breaking the law. There is a website that states who is USDA and their rating, but I don't know if it says who is in the process of becoming licensed. Perhaps she was under the limit and then had a litter and is keeping some girls so is now waiting for the license. I'd ask why she has 6 before becoming licensed. Remember that Global exotics was USDA licensed. Buying from Arizona also raises red flags.

What I would do is ask for the lineages and check them out with Jeanne. Everything may be fine, but it may not be. If she won't give you the lineage before purchase, then find someone else.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I emailed her asking about the father's lineage, and she hasn't emailed me back just yet. It looks like she purchased all of her breeding hogs from the same breeder in Ohio (even the pair she said were from Colorado and Arizona) when I did a little more research (Google is a crazy cool tool), so that was another cause for concern, and then I was talking to Nikki (she is BeehiveHedgie on here) about it and we discovered that this is the same breeder that tried to buy Pearl (even though in the ad Nikki wrote she wouldn't sell to a breeder due to Pearl's health problems) twice under two different names and different stories about experience/care/etc. That was the final red flag for me. I will never be purchasing from this particular breeder. I am really bummed out that she didn't check out as a quality breeder, she seemed like she was jumping through all the hoops (IHA/HBA member, etc.) and I was hopeful she was actually legit... I would love to have another careful breeder in my area, but alas, I don't believe it's in the stars for now.

Meanwhile though, Moxieberry suggested a great breeder out-of-state that I'm really liking, I think I will be getting a little male from her.
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I wouldn't go by having a USDA license as having any bearing, other than she is obviously breaking the law. There is a website that states who is USDA and their rating, but I don't know if it says who is in the process of becoming licensed. Perhaps she was under the limit and then had a litter and is keeping some girls so is now waiting for the license. I'd ask why she has 6 before becoming licensed. Remember that Global exotics was USDA licensed. Buying from Arizona also raises red flags.

What I would do is ask for the lineages and check them out with Jeanne. Everything may be fine, but it may not be. If she won't give you the lineage before purchase, then find someone else.
Yeah, I didn't mean that the USDA thing is a clear indicator either way. Plenty of USDA licensed breeders don't care about lineage, for instance, which isn't one of the things the USDA looks at. I just find the lack of it to be questionable, in this situation.
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I wouldn't go by having a USDA license as having any bearing, . . .
Having the USDA imprimatur doesn't mean much. But not having it when they should, that means something.
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I completely agree about asking for the lineage. Solid, orderly records - easily and quickly provided - suggest a breeder that knows what they are doing. (And that they are actually doing it and are on top of things.) Though I did not ask for it in advance (which should have been no problem if I had), I knew that I was going to get it when I picked her up. And I did, with lots of details on most hedgies all the way out to great-great-great-grandparents. There's no certainty that everything is being done correctly, but that's a pretty strong indicator.

I considered several breeders that specifically would not give lineages for pet animals, only to other breeders. I suppose that there is some valid reason(s) for this, but it was a very negative point for me. A question of finding points of trust with considered breeders - which is way too hard already. Sophie will not be bred, but having all of that extra information sure helped to sell me on choosing to get her.
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I wouldn't go by having a USDA license as having any bearing, . . .
Having the USDA imprimatur doesn't mean much. But not having it when they should, that means something.
That's why I continued my sentence and said...
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other than she is obviously breaking the law.


Many breeders won't give out lineages to people other than established breeders because in the past, there have been cases of unscrupulous breeders using other peoples lineages on their animals that have no lineage. Sometimes people will ask for the lineage and then not buy and use the lineage as their own. Also, some people go to great lengths to get a baby from a breeder that won't sell to them. They pretend to be someone they aren't and say it's a pet only.

All this makes it difficult for honest, legitimate owners and new breeders. Still though, someone buying a baby for breeding should be given the lineage before a decision can be made.
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